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I miss the old Goku | Dragon Ball

by Six

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Published 15 Aug 2023

I miss the old Son Goku, ever since Dragon Ball super started Goku has felt like a shell of his former self in every way I’ve narrowed this down to four main points and I plan on giving comparisons to explain why these are either contradictory to Goku’s character or don’t make sense as a logical continuation of it. 1 is Goku’s seemingly lost touch of what being a fighter means 2 is Goku’s tenacity in letting villains live 3 Goku’s sudden development of an ego leaving him off guard & lastly 4 Goku being very carefree/childish in response to danger and threats to he or his family. Intro: 0:00 Moro Dillema: 0:45 Goku doesn't know what being a fighter means: 2:38 Goku letting Villains live again: 5:02 Goku has an ego now?: 7:59 Goku is too carefree in response to threats: 10:39

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@sixfromtokyo8 months ago Response Vid: 51
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@whispr_2ME9 months ago Kind of funny how people hated GT for having Goku be a man in a child's body, and Super Goku is pretty much Goku being a child in a man's body. It almost seems purposeful. 5824
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@TheEternalFlame579 months ago I miss the old Goku. The mature Goku. The humble Goku, the Goku who cared about fighting Goku. I hate the new Goku, the childish and dumb Goku, the egotisitcal Goku, the obessed with fighting Goku 1021
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@cnh21328 months ago Son Goku has suffered probably the biggest character assassination in history. He went from a complete martial artist at the end of the Cell Games to a complete joke in super...the authors made him forget all of the lessons he has learned and make all the stupidest mistakes that he could make. it is such a shame, after watching him develop over all those years, seeing him regress so much. ... 417
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@blankspace_kxng9 months ago goku telling him WAKE UP WAKE UP WAKE UP WAKE UP was the best part of the arc tbh 582
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@upliftlizard17159 months ago In DBS Super Hero, even with Toriyama writing the script of the film, in the scene on Beerus' planet, Goku is confused by seeing Vegeta meditating, even though Goku should be absolutely aware of what meditating is 1152
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@TheEARLD9 months ago Old Goku had wisdom and had a good balance between his humour and when he need to get serious.
The thing that bugs me about as super Goku is how child like and naive they portray him at times. 965
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@206Zelda9 months ago He used to be able to read minds and souls. Imagine if he did that with the enemies he traded blows with; he'd figure out some of the deepest motives they were hiding 471
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@snakefish189 months ago In my personal opinion, I think they based Goku’s writing in Super and every other character’s writing in Super on how some fans perceive the characters rather than how the characters were originally established 339
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@giodawg459 months ago A big issue I had with Super is this whole idea of Goku having poor guard. Even Kid Goku was able to sense danger before seeing it. There are instances of this all before learning ki control with Kami and Popo. 1572
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@uninformed21679 months ago It’s crazy how people will jokingly say that they’re basing super Goku off of TFS Goku when it’s something I can genuinely see 758
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@Kaldrean9 months ago Mature Goku was awesome. I loved how serious he felt during the buu saga and the frieza saga. 87
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@PCODRAGONS8 months ago No one talking about the "WAKE UP" text? 75
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@ChrisJoestarr9 months ago I believe one of the reasons ppl don't complain that much about this new Goku is cuz they didn't watch the original DBZ and the only thing they know about Goku is that he's a happy enthusiastic dude, but they don't know that when shit gets serious Goku don't play around funny shit. ... 1071
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@collinleivas96059 months ago Its funny to think Goku in Resurrection F was going to let Frieza go when he is literally the guy that taught Goku to not let certain people go. 377
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@pigglypoof8 months ago I miss kid Goku, he was carefree and pure but took thinks seriously when he had too and was always picking up on cues 43
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@Dr.Loc238 months ago Old Goku was lowkey a ruthless man when you didn't listen to his warning. When he left Nappa paralyzed from the waist down I knew he had that dawg in him
Super Goku doesn't compare with the old Goku, that Kaioken scene went hard
That was one of Goku's hardest moments in DBZ, Super really regressed Goku's character entirely, they turned Goku in a megalomaniac with an addiction to battle ... 47
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@mrgotham36859 months ago Ultra Instinct Goku is basically just serious Z Goku, and that’s a reason I think why that form is so well received. Goku has one of the most underrated character arcs in all of anime from Dragon Ball to the end of Z. 371
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@donsq43069 months ago Goku was nearly a perfected martial artist in OG Db. Roshi even stated he could not teach him anything 😂 62
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@brianartist80279 months ago I miss when Goku was genuinely mature and understanding towards others. I feel like while he definitely isn’t portrayed totally negative, you can definitely see how super turned him into a more goofy and dumb version of himself as compared to Z. It’s hard to explain, but I’m sure y’all understand what I mean when I say there’s a difference between Goku in Z and Goku in DBS ... 685
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@aaronbrawley9 months ago Let’s not forget one of our very first shots of Goku in Dragon Ball was Goku literally getting shot multiple times by Bulma, and the bullets bouncing off… 52
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@TruBaus2108 months ago One thing though Goku started sparing people in Dragonball when Android 8 convinced him not to kill general silver 3
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@Drumicall9 months ago GT has good continuations of character development. Even though Goku got turned into a kid he acts accordingly. It'as the saying goes GT Goku has a child body but Super Goku has the mind of a child. 231
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@NataliaNeeSama9 months ago Child Goku had an ego, but he also learned from Mr. Popo to never underestimate his opponents, and he never showed that side during the Z arc because he learned his lesson.
He suffered from Flanderization, unfortunately. OG Adult Goku had some childish elements to him but they were very minor and were just a few charming quirks to his character, but he behaved like an adult where it counted. In Super he seems like a manchild now, he never takes anything seriously and acts like a teenager all the time like everything is just a big game to him, even though people are dying he doesn't take the situation seriously! It's frustrating. ... 137
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@tylercrighton19989 months ago Goku has soooo many villains into Z-Fighterz: Krillin, Tien, Yamcha, Piccolo, Vegeta, etc. He’s sees the best in people so that pushes him to try to redeem others — not a bad trait in my mind. 38
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@Nihlux9 months ago I miss him too, man. It's like the Jake Skywalker thing with Star Wars. This new Goku is an imposter. 7
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@edwinsolis57109 months ago People dunk on the “Superman” Goku but that shit went hard—its the Goku that you felt the desire to be like. Kindhearted but he wasn’t soft. 199
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@ReturnOfTheKing889 months ago Cell saga goku gave us sensei vibes without us even knowing, especially with ssj mastery and the symbols disappearing 187
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@Jerry-zz2eu3 weeks ago It's DBZA's fault. Toriyama saw how they portrayed Goku and thought: "Finally, somebody understands me," and then modeled DBS Goku directly from that. 4
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@AllMediaAlchemy3 weeks ago You absolutely nailed it brother! I've been saying this for years and it's good to know people are finally catching on. Much respect.
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@jcg76099 months ago I'm glad that the dragon ball fanbase is finally realizing that Goku regressed significantly as a character once DBS started because a couple of years back, you would have morons telling you otherwise and saying he was always like this ... 428
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@chasegibson86909 months ago the wake up subtitles are freaking me out 87
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@STUPIDHUMAN8 months ago Goku had battle sense. He knew when one needed to fight, but he also knew that sometimes you don't have to.
It was what separated him from everyone else, good and evil. 19
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@thepanelbiter99159 months ago It is so refreshing to see a video about Goku’s personality and not how many Hulks he can spank. 47
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@gwell66v2AnimeReviews9 months ago While reviewing the Saiyan saga, some of my favorite moments that reaaaally took me back and made me remember why Goku was one of my favorite characters of all time (and why Super was a significant downgrade for me)
1 When propositioned by vegeta to become his second in command, Goku responds "No thanks. besides, it doesn't seem like there's a lot of job security"
Hearing Goku talk about something as adult as job security, idk, it just really got me. This felt like a down to earth GUY. Just some guy who happens to have enormous power and abilities but a real person nonetheless.
2) When he talks to Gohan and Krillin and convinces them to leave. He points out to Gohan how Chi must be worried about him and even asks Gohan to "Give her a hug for me" It's so wholesome and family oriented and implies they have a healthy, happy family dynamic that's existed all this time. Even later Z seems to forget about portraying Goku as someone who can have actual familial affection outside of pride for his son's power.
3) He purposely incapacitates Nappa instead of murdering him (this has remained fairly consistent at least)
4) His pep talk to Gohan is incredibly kind, insightful and finishes with him reaching out, again to show physical affection for his child (vegeta knee smashes him in the gut to interrupt. Which, my God Saiyan Saga vegeta is the most fun villain in DBZ. Guy absolutely delights in being the biggest heel imagineable)
Seeing Goku demonstrate himself to be THIS well rounded of an adult human being...his relatability was off the charts. ... 171
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@KeriAce9 months ago This was extremely incredible amazing job with the video I just love everything about this keep up the great work and don't stop making kick ass content.👍❤️🔥🔥👍
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@darktigersharkmax44329 months ago I hate the retcons and lessons goku's forgotten, it just unnecessarily removes the growth he's had and makes him more idiotic for no reason. Especially in the manga like literally it was established goku relaxes which allows him to utilize his full power but suddenly he doesn't do that and Vegeta's the first one to figure that out when they were both blatantly told about it during the Resurrection F arc. ... 134
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@Edelweiss11029 months ago The real sad thing is that it's not only Goku, so many characters in Super feel like they have either regressed or are stuck in an eternal cycle of the same story and lessons over and over again.
- Vegeta spends every other arc overcoming his past and sins, and admitting that Goku is better in some aspects and going his own ways just to regress right back to "Grrr my pride, I wish I was a Carot" in the next arc.
- Gohan learns that you can be a scholar but keep training to protect your loved ones for the 100th time, then disappears again for the next 2 arcs and comes back all rusty.
- Future Trunks tried to solve everything on his own and with pure power alone again.
- Trunks and Goten have been stuck as kids for the occasional Gotenks slap stick for the past 30 years.
- Krillin and the other humans keep jumping between retiring as fighters and coming back every other arc.
- Beerus and Whis keep getting stronger every other arc, and every time they show a hint of interest in something or that it could have consequences, they go back to "mmmm food".
It's pretty obvious Toyotarou or whoever writes this shit either doesn't really know what to do with the characters and/or that they are afraid to break the stalemate that Dragonball Super ultimately has set itself into with keeping it withing the end of Z.
Super Hero was so good because it finally gave some long overdue justice to Gohan, Piccolo, and to a lesser extend Goten, Trunks, Krillin and so on. I hope they finally go beyond Z after this arc, so we don't have to push the reset button after every other arc.
GT has many flaws, but I do think one thing it did pretty well was writing continuation of the characters. Goku enjoyed live and seeing Pan grow up, knowing that most things couldn't phase him anymore, but he would become 100% serious the moment he needed to. Vegeta became a family man on earth, ready to defend it with his life if need be. Goten and Trunks actually grew up and do adult shit. Piccolo embraces his role as a mentor and guardian. The list goes on.
Super has potential, but they are either afraid to or don't know how to use it. ... 61
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@jamiemcneil96829 months ago Thank you. This is a video that needed to be made.
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@DanielLopes-dh2hv9 months ago Yeah fair point, when Whis first said that Goku was over confident and letting his guard down i just accepted it like it was always the case. But yeah, that never was the case in Z 28
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@speedy45749 months ago Super makes me look at GT in a much better light. It has it's flaws but it's short enough to not outlive it's welcome and Goku's character from Z to GT remains more or less consistent even if he was physically turned into a child. Whereas Goku in Super is still an adult but mentally, it's like he never left Mt. Pauzu. ... 110
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@AdventVFX9 months ago Goku was the actual greatest martial artist in the universe and then Super happens, its very upsetting seeing the regression and I'm happy someone noticed 53
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@WillHaus133 months ago Dude this was a great video! Man I miss old Goku so much man. Super changed him so much
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@ricopena20538 months ago I miss the old Goku
Flying on clouds Goku
The Saiyan proud Goku
I hate the new Goku
The ultra clown Goku
Giving senzu beans to bad dudes Goku ... 11
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@sixfromtokyo9 months ago I didn't say this in the intro but this isn't supposed to be like Super In-depth or anything the point is Goku is different and it doesn't take a genius to figure it out. 826
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@UnwantedGhost19 months ago The writers of Dragonball Z Resurrection F should have had Goku blocking the laser from Sorbet. Only to be caught off guard by Freeza's putting nearly all his energy in it. 105
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@Stefanthro3 months ago Nice video! The only time I remember Goku having an ego was when he was a kid (ex. when he first fought Popo - though he was quickly humbled)
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@baconlord25452 weeks ago “I missed the old Goku, straight to protect earth Goku, Chop up the spirit bomb Goku, set on his goals to defeat evil Goku! I hate the new Goku, the desperate fighter Goku, the always dumb Goku, spaz on the plot armor Goku! I miss the sweet Goku, chop up the soul Goku! I gotta say at that time I’d like to meet Goku!” ... 2
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@seroq4429 months ago You see, if they had the balls and made Goten and Trunks the protagonist of Super with Gohan being a more guidance oriented figure, these flaws (for Goten) would be perfectly fine. But na, I am convinced that Akira doesn't care all that much like he use to and the rest of the writers don't understand the spirit of Dragon Ball. ... 67
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@maximillianoorosco-randhaw93369 months ago To bring up another point regarding Goku’s development regarding who he chooses to spare, he doesn’t even attempt to spare Yakon, he just straight up kills him, so it wouldn’t make sense for Goku to spare Moro. 51
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@BulkierEmu0508 months ago I'm glad we have fan mangas that portrait a more mature goku while having that fun part he always had and showing more of the other Z warriors and not just make it like the show of goku and vegeta like Dbs does. 2
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@heavenlysniper26003 months ago Ahhh yes someone said thank u my man loved the vid
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@rXTrLEGENDz9 months ago You nailed Z Goku in comparison to Super Goku. Everything he learned from DB through Z has been completely neglected in Super and it's appalling.
I thank you very kindly for this video.
Also, Goku giving Cell the Senzu Bean saved the universe, as Goku knows that both Vegeta and Frieza would destroy the planet if they were backed into a corner. He gave Cell the sb not only to protect Gohan's pride as a warrior, but to save what he holds dear to him. He felt that Gohan had a power within him stronger than himself. He knew Gohan would get the job done. Him being the Master Martial Artist, he would know how to handle situations outside of just the battle, but the war in it's entirety.
In Dragon Ball:
He gave Piccolo a SB because of he died, Kami would die and, the DBs would be rendered useless. ... 127
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@bionicleanime9 months ago Old Goku: a general/veteran of 1000 battles with a great sense of responsibility and maturity, yet still kind and a little goofy when appropriate. />New Goku: idiot who feels like he was back when he first met Chichi, not quite Bulma but he's been pushing it there, and goofing off in the most wrong of times. ... 20
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@bigbabybiscuits8 months ago I've never really been able to get into Super and couldn't quite put my finger on why until watching this video. You're totally right about Goku's character regression and that's really what rubbed me the wrong way about Super. ... 1
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@Cinnamon02143 months ago That wake up wake up wake up subtitle freaked me out because I almost missed it so it was almost like my mind was tricking me
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@Trash_Cat219 months ago For all of GT's faults I did like that Goku was carefree and childish at times, but once things got serious the martial arts master came out and he took things seriously depending on the threat. 30
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@jimjamjon22859 months ago Six making me think I'm in a coma 😭 8
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@CalebEkes8 months ago this guy read my mind. I've been thinking this for years 1
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@curioussquidd39878 months ago Watching OG dragon ball right now and man, it is so charming and the fights are so fun to watch! No super saiyan, no power levels. Kid Goku is the best imo 1
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@giodawg459 months ago Goku has always been a goofy and carefree guy. That’s part of his personality. It’s different when fighting and danger is imvolved. There he is more about his wits. Even GT Goku wasn’t so dumb when I think about it. 85
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@ajfriet9 months ago I always feel so mixed when I think about toriyama. On the one hand, he did a great job writing dbz. On the other hand, I see interviews and think, "does this guy even see what he writes". For example the whole mental training thing from super hero. In one interview Ive read he said goku turning super saiyan wasnt heroic in the slightest and because of his lust for battle. It just makes no sense sometimes ... 116
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@boissinotromuald99529 months ago Finally, someone put the word, excellent video, Im 37 years old and I do miss the old Goku as well, the New one saddly embody the absence of tension or any good plot in DBS, it's all just for fun And so is this"Goku". Sad... ... 1
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@Sky-pg6xy9 months ago People feel betrayed because they assumed the creators cared as much about the story as they did. False, super is the proof. 2
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@forcecalibration9249 months ago Yea he will be missed, makes me question all those bullies I stood up to back in the day. 9
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@kairusaotome959 months ago GT Goku is the best continuation of Goku's growth. He turned into a kid again and was humbled, which forced him to work his way back up and be less careless. In Super, Goku is gotten cocky and careless, and the T.o.P is a great example of this. Picking Frieza has a companion, instilling the idea of wiping out the defeated universe to Zeno. Then the whole Moro thing...ugh. ... 89
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@ForeveraBoss1179 months ago Now all I can picture is Goku singing “Old Kanye” 1
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@Victory-in-YAHUSHA8 months ago Goku has always let his guard down in Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z. That's just part of his character. Goku letting his guard down in Super is nothing new. 2
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@kaleb23429 months ago I want GT Goku specifically how he acts while hes in Ssj4 12
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@jeromebrown209 months ago He was awesome. His back and forth with piccolo on the look out when they were training Gotenks. He was a different guy back then 22
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@exlerbiscool43559 months ago bruh why does the subtitles randomly change to wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up, run run. 3
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@Cruz8288 months ago Yeah finally somebody is making a video about OG Goku 2
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@jimjamjon22859 months ago Also he only said this to annoy Vegeta so that Vegeta would train even harder. He didn't say it out of ego 18
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@prolastmedia61719 months ago Imo the better solution would be to retire Goku all together was originally intended. The reason his recent characterization is so odd is because Goku has long since fulfilled his heros journey and completed his character arc. Instead of giving Goku a respectful send off and allowing Gohan and the next generation to step up, theyve just reset and recycled Goku time and time again, making it feel like hes regressed. Its time for Goku to take the back seat in the "Master" role and let new heroes take the spotlight. ... 102
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@SineWav01018 months ago Great analysis. This precisely explains the visceral distaste for Super many fans had as it was being released. At first we couldn't quite pinpoint it, thinking it was the artsyle or the score. But mainly it was attributed to the gross character regression that Goku underwent.
Like many people commented, GT was a fantastic interpretation of Gokus character growth in spite of all its flaws. Ss4, for example, perfectly exemplifies gokus commitment to being a protector as the literal catalyst to him fully realizing the transformation was him gazing at planet earth and realizing what he was fighting for. And his demeanor when using the transformation followed suit. ...
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@josephwilliams15919 months ago I'm AWAKE! You got me scared of captions 4
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@TheScepter259 months ago I also disliked how Goku in the superhero movie disregarded meditation as a form of training. Like what???? 7
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@alishabazz74319 months ago That’s why I love Goku in GT. Character progression At it’s Finest. 5
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@WI-FI_GOD9 months ago I’m glad you keep bringing up the laser scene😊
And time someone start arguing about goku vs anyone
I like to be petty and bring up him getting no diffed by a normal laser 🤣🤣🤣and I make sure to hammer it down just to be extra petty ...
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@adrianmatthews29319 months ago Once to twice a week i think about DBZ Goku. I missed how he was silly yet mature, oblivious to somethings but at least know what the fuck a kiss is (DBS). The speech he gave vegeta before fusing into vegito, all of the dialogue between him n Frieza on namek. Fast forward to the last Dragonball movie they made goku ask Vegeta what he was doing when vegeta was FUCKING MEDITATING WHEN WE SEEN GOKU MEDITATE COUNTLESS TIMES ... 25
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@KaiserMattTygore9279 months ago Every time I revisit Z especially the first 3 Z Era Sagas, I say the same thing. back when I was a kid watching Dragon Ball on Toonami back in the early 00's, Goku WAS my favorite character.. as an adult however he's just an aggravating disgrace during 90% of Super. Vegeta took his original place imo. ... 20
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@alexslate8 months ago You know whats also missing that anger and carefree destruction goku gets the higher the transformation he goes. For ex even though this isnt canon but in gt when hes fighting that mole rat looking dragon?, during the fight hes like saving people and protecting the buildings from collapsing but then he goes ssj4 and says “you know you shouldn’t have brought me out like this” and goes ham not caring about the destruction he’s causing. I miss seeing that goku it gives a little edge to him ... 2
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@lighstary72359 months ago For the “not putting his all point” I 100% agree as Goku expects frieza to go to earth next. This implies Goku knows frieza would return to earth and survived.
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@xavranium9 months ago I can never understand why toriyama did this to him😔 13
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@-burstverse-10109 months ago Goku in Z: Matured, compeleted character, a bit smarter, and ready to be a Master
Goku GT: Literally reached GODHOOD
GOku in Super: Dumb as a bag of sand, back to a student, DON'T KNOW WHAT A KISS IS.... 5
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@O.H3068 months ago I feel like we can get a really good arc about gokus mental and him recognizing his mental flaws and trying to improve. But I don’t think that’ll ever be possible
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@Therealboix9 months ago
Pretty sure I gotta wake up
Also "THE SCENES" ... 25
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@KaiserMattTygore9279 months ago It's even dumber that Goku got laser shot when you realize Blue is a transformative almost enlightened type of state.
It's the state where him getting "caught off guard" makes the LEAST amount of sense too. ... 9
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@vibegod94099 months ago I remember seeing in a youtube short that super Goku was actually pretty smart about the whole “bringing back Frieza” thing because they couldn’t bring him back anymore. They brought him back the first time. They most likely wouldn’t have used the namekian dragon balls and just like Frieza said they would’ve just sent him back to hell ...
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@PrinceAmir249 months ago WAKE UP WAKE UP WAKE UP
WAKE UP WAKE UP WAKE UP
WAKE UP WAKE UP WAKE UP
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@dionysisnance42049 months ago i feel like goku from dragon ball to z and then GT is how goku acts, but then in super they make goku act like a man child even then before 16
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@BigHeadClan9 months ago My personal headcannon for Goku offering to bring Freeza back to life during TOP was that he'd ask Shenron to let Freeza be reborn similar to what happaned with Kid-Buu thus keeping his promise with Freeza but avoiding him becoming a potential threat to Earth and the wider Universe as he wouldn't have his memories and would be a true innocent being.
Goku while not above stretching the truth wouldn't lie in a situation like that, I was actually super excited when they showed off that Episode in super. I was like YES Goku is finally showing how clever he can be and is getting back to his more serious roots, it was a fantastic episode. ...
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@jackleonthegamer9 months ago part of me wonders if this is intentional and his overconfidence from unlocking ssg will kick off a whole arc about him getting back in touch with what it means to be a fighter like with what roshi eludes to, that maybe he's done growing in a power sense and will now start growing as a fighter. (And let's be real from one powerup he went from fighting people like cell and buu to squaring up against a god i can see how he started to get a big head.) ...